What does it take to make an impact as the Chief Experience Officer?

Allow me to introduce you to Lonnie Mayne , Chief Experience Officer at Mindshare Technologies. As his bio says “Lonnie Mayne influences each and every interaction involving Mindshare’s valued clients—from front-desk greetings to printed marketing materials to everyday sales calls to impromptu gifts of friendship.”  Mindshare is in the business of providing companies (and their executives) valuable customer insight gleamed from tapping into the Voice of the Customer.

Just before I went on my holidays I had an interesting conversation with Lonnie and in this post I want to share some of  points/learnings I took from that conversation.

Why focus on the customer and the customer’s experience? 

Lonnie’s answer to this question is simple: at some point the customer will be faced with a choice and if you have not created value for the customer, made his/her life better, then the customer will switch to another supplier.

Yes, it is possible to be doing well financially if you have created enough value for the customer through your product/service without asking/involving/focussing on your customers and what matters to them.  However, sooner or later this situation will change and when that happens your business will pay the price.  Put differently, the price of not listening to your customers and not keeping in tune with them is often paid further down the line.  As I write these lines I cannot help but think of Tesco in the UK.

What is the central challenge facing the Chief Experience Officer?

As a result of 20+ years of business experience, Lonnie is clear that CEO’s tend to be focussed on profitable growth. And in pursuing profit it is easy for the CEO to ‘lose sight of the customer along the way’.  How exactly?  The CEO doesn’t consider the impact of decisions deeply enough when it comes to the impact on the customers.  Put differently, too much focus on profit leads to poor decision making: decision making which favours short term efficiency and cost reduction over long term effectiveness in meeting/addressing customer needs.

Therefore, the central challenge for the Chief Experience Officer, according to Lonnie, is to ensure that the customer is present at the leadership table.  How?  By asking the following question: what is the impact of this decision on the customer?  Clearly it is not enough to ask the question.  The Chief Experience Officer (or Chief Customer Officer) also has to provide an answer.  In practice this means ‘applying science to the Voice of the Customer’ to deliver a sound business case that speaks to the CEO.

What does it take to make a meaningful impact as the Chief Experience Officer?

Moving from talking about customer focus and customer experience to actually orienting a company around customers and generating the right customer experience is not easy.  Some say it requires a transformation in mindset, culture and organisational design.  What does Lonnie say and how has he gone about it?

1. Ensure you have the wholehearted support of the CEO and build a good working relationship.  Lonnie is clear that to be successful in his role he needs the wholehearted support of his CEO.  That means reporting into/working with a CEO that gets the importance of the customer and the customer experience.  It helps if the KPI’s of the Chief Experience Officer align with the CEO.  Lonnie tells me that his success metrics are identical with those of his CEO.  So what is the difference between Lonnie and his CEO?  Lonnie’s focus is first on the customer and then on profitable growth whereas the CEO’s focus is first on profitable growth and second on the customer.  You can say that they complement each other.

2. Have real clout within the organisation.  As Chief Experience Officer, Lonnie is not simply heading up a staff function with no line authority or responsibility.  He used to lead the sales and account management function.  Now, as the Chief Experience Officer, Lonnie has direct responsibility for marketing, sales and client retention.

3. Broaden the definition of customer to include internal customers.  Time and again Lonnie referred to internal customers as well as external customers when he talked about customers.  It occurs to me that Lonnie gets that to serve/make an impact on external customers he has to serve/make an impact on the internal customers: the employees of Mindshare.

4. Involve the people in the organisation in grappling with the key questions.  There is considerable value in having the right people grapple with the right questions.   When it comes to designing/generating the right customer experience, the right people are the employees.  Which questions? Lonnie mentioned two questions that he posed: “How would you ever know, if you were outside the organisation, what we stand for as an organisation?”; and “What do we want the ultimate Customer Experience to be?”  The value/beauty of taking such an approach is that you do not have to get ‘buy-in’ later, the ‘buy-in’ is built in right from the start.

5. Access and use of the Voice of the Customer. Lonnie has been able to influence decision making by tapping into and making good use of the Voice of the Customer.  He calls that ‘practicing what we preach’ given that this is the core business of Mindshare.

6. Speak the language of the business.  It is not enough to access the Voice of the Customer.  Why?  If the Voice of the Customer does not speak the language of business then it falls on deaf ears.  What is the language of business?  Finance.  Specifically and in practice this means making a sound economic case for acting on the Voice of the Customer.

7. Get the CEO in front of customers regularly.  Given that CEOs are disconnected from and tend to lose sight of customers and what matters to customers it is essential to the get the CEO in front of real flesh and blood customers. Put differently, facts and figures can never replace face to face encounters: there is nothing like being there, seeing/hearing/experiencing the customer first hand.

8.  Respectfully challenge the CEO as and when necessary.  Clearly, this is only possible if and only if you have confidence.  It is easier to be confident if you have built a good working relationship with the CEO, you have access to the Voice of the Customer and you know how to use it effectively – to make a sound business case.

I dedicate this post to Cathy Sorensen.  Cathy I thank you for your words of kindness:  it is great to know and to feel that my writing makes a contribution to you and that you missed me during August.

Author: Maz Iqbal

Experienced management consultant. Passionate about enabling customer-centricity by calling forth the best from those that work in the organisation and the intelligent application of digital technologies. Subject matter expert with regards to customer strategy, customer insight, customer experience (CX), customer relationship management (CRM), and relationship marketing. Working at the intersection of the Customer, the Enterprise (marketing, sales, service), and Technology.

8 thoughts on “What does it take to make an impact as the Chief Experience Officer?”

  1. Maz,

    Welcome back. Interesting that 4 of your 8 points revolve around the same central point

    1. Ensure you have the wholehearted support of the CEO and build a good working relationship.

    2. Have real clout within the organisation.

    7. Get the CEO in front of customers regularly.

    8. Respectfully challenge the CEO as and when necessary.



  2. Hi Maz,
    Welcome back. Hope you had a great break.

    The quote from Lonnie ‘The CEO doesn’t consider the impact of decisions deeply enough when it comes to the impact on the customers’ stood out to me and made me want to ask the question: Isn’t it time that we start to ask whether we have the right type of CEOs leading the organisation?



  3. Very interesting post – Do you know if many companies have appointed Chief Experience Officers? And if they do, in your views, which departments should report to them? Customer service? Marketing? or maybe all the customer facing positions? It could become a pretty big position


  4. Hello “Verbestservice”

    I am not an expert in this area.

    From what I have read the trend to appoint Chief Experience Officers / Chief Customers Officers is more noticeable in the USA than the UK.

    My stance is that the role of Chief Customer Officer / Chief Experience Officer belongs and can only succeed if it is taken on by the CEO. If the CEO is busy then this role belongs to the office of the CEO. This means that the person fulfilling it has to report to the CEO and seen as representing the CEO. And importantly this person has to have a ‘feel for the customer and going right by the customer’. Without a sound ethical sense one gets nowhere. This is what Lonnie Mayne took from his grandmother:

    “Always treat those who have more than you as equals, and treat those who have less than you as kings and queens.”

    For the Customer Experience Officer to be effective he/she would need the Marketing, Sales and Customer Service departments to report to him/her – as a starting point. Why? Most of the issues are caused by Marketing through setting unrealistic expectations and downright lying. These tend to be built upon by the Sales folks whose concern is to sell and who do not care what it takes to make the sale: more misrepresentation and lying is added to the mix. And then the rubbish strewn about by Marketing and Sales has to be cleaned up by Customer Service.

    I wish you well and thank you for entering into a conversation with me.

    At your service / with my love


  5. Maz,

    A deeper question first needs to be addressed by Corporations of today : Who are we really serving? The Customer Or the Shareholder? If it is the Shareholder – as reflected by the benchmark of quarter to quarter growth in profitability pressure. Does it have to be at the cost of Integrity (as defined by you in another post) & the Customer?

    Maybe Corporations need to start at the base & look at this fundamental Question.
    No wonder Governments follow suit & sacrifice Integrity.
    Is this the world we want to continue with?
    Does living out of Integrity serve us?



    1. Hello Gautama

      Many in the business world consider your question naive/simplistic. To them, the vast majority of our business colleagues, it is axiomatic that the business exists to reward/enrich shareholders. The customer is simply a means at arriving at that outcome. Like an aeroplane will be the means for me to get to the USA tomorrow.

      As for the question you are asking and direction you are suggesting, you and I are in agreement. Yet, perhaps I differ somewhat. A customer-centric is not viable in the longer term unless it can keep replacing the employees/suppliers that it burns through. What is required is the middle way.

      What is the middle way? It is the way of balance, of harmony. Balance/harmony between the needs of the short-term and the long term. Balance between the needs of management and those that serve management: the employees. Balance between the front line and the back office which is essential to the front line. Balance between those on the inside of the company and those on the outside: customers, channel partners, suppliers, the community at large. Balance between the employees, the management, the customers and the shareholders in terms of dividing up the rewards of business.



  6. & as Maz likes to say on his informational blog – “be ruthless with yourself and get clear on the ‘payoff’ and the ‘cost’ of playing this game. When it comes to ‘cost’ look at both the cost that you pay now, that you are paying longer term, and the cost that the people in your life pay.”

    Corporations need to take the same approach for the questions posed above.



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